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LONGITUDE DISCUSSION

Solving that old, ‘Where Am I?’ question. The reefs of the world are strewn with the bones of sailors who thought they knew where they were only to drown hundreds even thousands of miles off course. By the 18th Century, those changes in latitude could be figured, but longitude was only guessed at.

In 1714, the British Parliament offered a huge reward to anyone who could invent a system that would accurately calculate a ship’s position east and west on the globe. Author, Dava Sobel tells the true tale of how a fastidious, country clockmaker outwits the greatest astronomers of the day during a “It’s-a-Mad-Mad-Mad-World kind of race to the prize. The proffered solutions of some of the lesser minds of the day, particularly the Powder of Sympathy are hilarious and keep the pages turning:

“Send aboard a wounded dog as a ship sets sail. Leave ashore a trusted individual to dip the dog’s [old] bandage into the Sympathy Solution every day at noon. The dog would perforce yelp in reaction, and thereby provide the captain with a time clue,” that is, London time. This, plus the ship’s speed equals distance, Voila! Poor dog.

Questions:

What would be an equivalent scientific challenge these days?

What are its Powder of Sympathy solutions?

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No GPS!

The depth of commitment this man had to finding the answer to the problem of his time for accurate navigation shows that there is always a way to overcome a problem no matter what the establishment may say.

Posted by 2010-02-26 14:58:47.

pretty smart

Always considered myself to be pretty smart until I read this book...It is absolutely amazing what some people are capable of!! Great Book.

Posted by 2009-11-03 18:02:36.

navigation

Dava Sobel turned history into a good dramatic tale, complete with heroes, villains and comic relief. But in the process she obscured a lot of the real history and left readers with a very inaccurate understanding of the events. It was not at all a "Mad, Mad, Mad World" race to the prize, but a slow decades-long process of politics, research, and technological development in which numerous smaller prize amounts were doled out. Sobel is a fun read, but it's poor history. Her depiction of Nevil Maskelyne, in particular, grossly distorts his role in the development of navigation methods. The lunar distance method of determining longitude was well established at the end of the 1700s and continued to be widely used well into the 1800s. Long after they started carrying chronometers, American whalemen in the Pacific continued to determine longitude by lunar distance as a means of checking for error in their chronometers. The Nautical Almanac, established by Maskelyne, is still critical to conducting celestial navigation today.

Posted by 2009-09-22 16:41:03.

good read

Just finished reading this one. It was a good read. Interesting to me was that in pursuit of this great scientific discovery Harrison pretty much went it alone. That is so contradictory to todays Web 2.0, collaborative approach to things. Is the cure for Aids or Cancer or the solution to our energy problems going to come from one guys working in his garage alone?

Posted by 2009-09-08 18:44:34.

great book

First non fiction I have read in a while. Wonderful read & very infomative. There isn't, to me, a scientific equivalent for today. We seem to have forgotten to keep learning.

Posted by 2009-09-02 12:56:46.

wonderful

First non fiction I have read in a while. Wonderful read & very infomative. There isn't, to me, a scientific equivalent for today. We seem to have forgotten to keep learning.

Posted by 2009-09-02 12:37:52.

book

interesting book, so many little things in life that we never how they got here

Posted by 2009-08-02 10:59:33.

Solutions

I was fascinated by this book! It was an easy read about a subject that in modern times, is hardly ever considered. I did not realize that finding a accurate longitudual reading was such a puzzle. One of the most amusing (but troubling) solution was the Powder of Sympathy, in which a dog was kept on board and made to howl by making it uncomfortable, thus (theorically) enabling the naviagtor to get a longitudual reading. Could this be similar to requiring people to have health insurance or face a fine, and if they cannot afford it requiring ME to pay for their insurance?

Posted by 2009-07-14 23:58:59.

Longitude

A third of the way through and love it. I can barely see the moons of Jupiter with the telescope on my patio; i can't imagine trying to watch them from a bouncing ship on the sea...

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:26:50.

Boomerang Love

Just finished this book last week. It's a short read, but a great book. It's worth your while. Enjoy.

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:22:53.

Boomerang Love

A very good read. I second RD's statement about how frightening it must have been for many of the early sailors and explorers. As far as similar situations today I think an analogy can be drawn with internet. Figuring out longitude was essential to trade, travel and discovery. It made the world a smaller place and changed the course of history. A similar (but less dangerous) adventure is the development of the internet. Those who had the vision and confidence to develop the internet have changed the world making it a smaller place yet again. They have also given us a tool to facilitate trade, community and travel. I am a rare book dealer and I can not believe how this one invention has changed my business and my world.

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:22:15.

GarykPatton

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Posted by 2009-07-10 10:21:43.

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Posted by 2009-07-10 10:21:18.

Equivalent Scientific Challenge

Don't you think either Global Warming or non-fossil fuel energy falls into the category of "greatest scientific problem of our time?"

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:21:10.

Boomerang Love

Too bad that today's research is controlled by grants from R&D companies. Imagine what could be accomplished if the government offered individuals the money.

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:20:04.

A Very Interesting Story...

I enjoyed sitting in my cabin reading this book as it rained outside...what a great way to spend a June day in Wyoming! I never really thought about the difficulties sailors had as they attempted to navigate the globe...this is very much something we take for granted today. The connection between longitude and time is one I had not made until I read this book. The problem Harrison solved nearly 300 years ago would be the equivalent of a small town mechanic developing a cost effective, alternative fuel vehicle that people can afford.

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:19:15.

Kelly Brown

Hi, gr8 post thanks for posting. Information is useful!

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:18:54.

Longitude

This is one of the very best history books I've ever read. If you've only seen the movie, don't stop there. Be sure to get the edition with the pictures of the various clocks that Harrison devised. Also, by the same author, check out "Galileo's Daughter".

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:18:07.

Longitude

This is one of the very best historical books I've ever read. If you've only seen the movie, don't stop there; read this book. It's best to get the version with photos of the various clocks that Harrison made. Also by the same author, check out "Galileo's Daughter".

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:18:00.

Longitude

Read it several years ago, and planning to read again. Good book, and very informative.

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:17:07.

Longitude

Great, great - and true - story... The chronometer was considered a state secret, like the launching parameters of a Tomahawk cruise missile might be today... The book really is a study in human persverence and quest for perfection... Interesting that it was a Scot who built the first reliable sea-worthy chronometer. Must read!

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:16:59.

Amazing Story

I agree with RD and loved this book. Think of what he had to work with as far as information. We can find anything in virtually minutes on the web nowadays. He was a genius, no doubt. His conviction and determination are inspiring. How many lives have been saved and discoveries made that we all enjoy to this day and will for centuries to come! I would imagine two things may be equivalent challenges today. One being alternative fuel sources (Jimmy's Green Tomato) and the conversion of saltwater to fresh water. Thanks for recommending. Best wishes to other club members! Fins Up!

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:16:41.

Boomerang Love

Maybe the most interesting book I've ever read. As retired U.S. Navy involved in navigation, it's amazing to see how far we've come and how much we take for granted.

Posted by 2009-07-10 10:16:12.

Longitude

Saw the mini series a few years ago, have yet to read the book. Hard to imagine that Aristotle and the author of the Sympathy Solution both came from the same type of life form.

Posted by 2009-06-07 17:15:18.

longitude

Loved this book. We take so much for granted these days. Imagine how frightening it must have been to cast off knowing that in a few days you probably wouldn't know where you were.

Posted by 2009-06-04 18:31:28.

longitude

Gonna buy me a copy soon and he is a genius eh!!!

Posted by 2009-06-04 18:31:02.

 
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